Extracts from my forthcoming book philosophical talks between me and my earthly father in the form of svetaketu Upanishad
ISBN 81-901041-1-X


Shekhar Tell me about reincarnation and your masters way about renunciation. When I had told you about mother’s love. You told me about unearthly love, explain me about this love.

Pitaji
Here is the dialogue from Hindu scriptures to explain reincarnation. Between king and the learnt man Bhanto Nagasana, does rebirth takes place without anything transmigrating or passing over?
Yes your majesty, a man were light a light from another light, pray, would the one light have passed over (transmigrated) to the other light?
No, verily Bhanto
In exactly the same way, Your Majesty does rebirth takes place without anything transmigrating
Give another illustration
Do you remember, Your Majesty, having learnt, when you were a boy, some verse or other from your professor of poetry?
Yes Bhanto
Pray, Your Majesty. Did the verse pass over (transmigrate) to you from your teacher?
No, verily, Bhanto
In exactly the same way, your Majesty does rebirth take place without anything transmigrating.
Bhanto Nagasena, said the king, what it is that is born into the next existence.
Your Majesty, said the elder. It is name and form that is born into the new
Existence.

My master never advocates the path of renunciation he says you live in the world, perform all the worldly duties yet try to remain detached.
Within these karmic entanglements we have to find our way for knowing who we are.
My Guru says Mans life does not commence in the womb and never ends in the grave; it is the eternal quest or search for knowing the reality.
In one of those struggling years. I had no job whatever was left. I utilized in two younger sisters classes. Also I utilized so much of my time to leave and take them.
This was due to karmic attachments. I had to perform. After this I had no money.
But my search for knowing myself was going on. The first lesson of yoga I had to give at lokhandwalla complex.
I asked panwalla. The man who sells Leaves used for chewing , how far is this address .Standing at andheri station , he understood my position and wanted to give money to me which I lovingly refused .
I went walking till that address gave first lesson got money and started my days.
That time I remembered kuntiji’s pandawas mother’s statement that she wanted poverty because she will remember god, as god was there with her with all the problems she was facing
Many times I had not talked with you to make you understand this and then I wanted you to select wife for me and daughter in law for you so it gives peace to you.
I had to get this done thru same sisters who had poisoned our relationship.
Once when I was sailing on a ship named maharishi dayanand. There was a senior fitter he used to talk with his past births son.
At tea time he asked if I believed in life after death. I said yes more than you do also I believe in tramp souls or popularly known as ghosts. Tramp souls are the one who look for the bodies to make their vehicle. These souls are too much attached to the material world they cannot go to higher planes. There are souls of higher level who can come down from their planes and help the beings they are attached, Due to some karmic reasons; I believe his son was one among them.
He told me your people from hills are doing puja. I told him that usually happens at hills he said no but they are doing it oppositely or in a wrong way. He said that his son says they had been doing this from the time your parents had moved to Mumbai.
I phoned at Mumbai and confirmed that yes they had phoned about that puja. This reminded me of Kashmiri girl who use to fall down standing straight as if she was empowered with some soul or controlled by some tramp souls .I had a strong feeling that this is due to the karmic entanglement of the past births. This kashmiri girl was cured later by one man who was curing peoples from such problems and this girl’s schooling also had become better by that, but the man who cured her became sick and eventually died with his neck turning to one side. I believed that, that man had to take the karmas of the kashmiri girl. Once at tea time on ship this senior fitter who talks with his past birth’s son told me .Sir believe it or not your mother is feeding you and your father the tantric things which your sisters are getting. I got annoyed with him when he included my mother. But he said your sisters are giving to your mother by saying it’s for the betterment of both of them. I was reluctant to fully believe these because I was following the path of yoga. I knew that these things exist, but I had strong faith on right path and action but I failed to understand the food which I had taken will definitely have certain chemical effects. I was facing many complications which I could fight with the help of yoga. But in spite of all this I was not against them believing this as a karmic conflict .I wanted to silently withdrew and within these problems I kept on my search for absolute truth.
Man’s life is eternal quest or search for knowing the reality, unless he meets the perfect master who is lord himself, he only can take him to lord. Because that is the only way to meet the lord made by lord himself.
My master says resolving the conflict should be done to the utmost level. We should do our best to avert any mishappening in our families and should take care of our elders in every way.
In large Indian homes there is often a gate house- an independent accommodation built into the main courtyard entrance. Several generations would live together, & as the younger generation would take over the responsibilities of the family, the older generation would shift from the main house to the gate house. So one very cold winter’s day, the grandfather of the family asked his grandson to fetch him a blanket. The young boy went to his father. “It’s very cold. “Said the boy to his father. “And grandfather finds it chilly in the gatehouse. He wants a blanket to keep himself warm.”
His father replied, “There is an old blanket in the stable, which the horses use. You can give it to him.” The son fetched the blanket cut it into two pieces, gave half to the grandfather & brought the other half back.”There was no need to cut it in two,” said his father.”I told you simply to give him the blanket “Well, “said his son.”This half I have kept for you, for when you get old.”
My guru clearly states by this anecdote. It is our responsibility to look after our elders, & we should take care of them in every way.”
As we have talked earlier about parushrama as pitrabhakta devotee of father , you know I am also a pitrabhakta, but you believed mother as a greatest relation, both are valuable as karmic relationship but father is believed as the protector send by lord for us also I believed ultimate lord is father.
Pitaji if you read the book or works of Param sant Kabir “Anurag sagar” or “Ocean of love” Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh, sons of divine mother were very eager to meet their father Niranjan.
He had told divine mother no one can meet me. Brahma went for penance to meet his father but he couldn’t meet. He lied to his mother about his meeting with his father, when divine mother meditated lord Niranjan refused about their meeting so Brahma was cursed by divine mother. Due to which he is not worshipped. Vishnu and Mahesh told the truth that they couldn’t meet their father so they were blessed by divine mother.
This Anurag sagar means ocean of love. It is overflow of love from perfect Master Lord Kabir to his dear disciple Dharamdas.
These incidents given in anurag sagar were also narrated by Shri Hajari Prasad Dwivedi ji in his book Kabir
He writes that Sat purush Real God gave permission to his son Kal Niranjan to create shrusti or cosmos or universes. He calls him Dhurt Niranjan cunning one who did it wrongly. He was told to request and take the required material from “Kurmji”the second sabda or son of satpurush. Kal Niranjan used his might and attacked kurmji, after destruction of kurmji’s body the material came out was for creation
What I read in school about Lord Kabir and kept in my heart. About which I discussed with you pitaji, but you didn’t understood. He described Guru in such a way only Param pita paramatma can be Guru. That is highest fatherly soul which is Real God as described by Hajari prasad dwivedi. It is the glory of the Guru “Sab sansar kagajkaru. Lekhani sab Vanrai, Sab samudra syahi karu, Guru gun likha na jaya”.
If I make whole world as paper, make pen by utilizing whole of the forest, Make all seas as ink .I cannot write the quality of Guru. Lord Kabir himself was such a Guru and Dharamdas his chosen disciple.
Kabir for the normal people is an ordinary poet. But one who treads the path of knowing he knows and only he knows, if he never stops with simplicity of heart and soul. Because his relationship with his lord is unique. It is like moths travelling towards light none of them knows about the other moth. They only know about light. Kabir as I read in school was found near the Lahartara Lake to Neeru and Neema named couple. They were Julahas considered as lower caste. They were earning their livelihood by weaving and making cloth at Banaras. At Banaras Ramanandji was a learned scholar, he was initiating by mantra only to Brahmins. Kabir made a hollow at his pathway to Holy River and slept there hidingly. Ramananda stepped at Kabir’s body and uttered Ram, Ram, Ram. I got the initiation said Kabir and ran away; he started telling everyone Ramanandji initiated me. All Brahmins went to Ramanandji how can you initiate a low caste to which Ramanandji said I haven’t initiated him. Finally they assembled at court. Kabir was called, Ramanandji asked him. Kabir did I gave you mantra. Kabir said yes Guriji thrice; he got angry at a lie. Took out his {khadau} sandal and hit at Kabirs head. Kabir said sir now you have given your sandal of lotus feet’s also. Ramanandji was shocked and understood the deservingness of kabir and said yes I have given you. From then they were to gether. Once while performing worship to the statue of lord. Kabir was sitting outside with a curtan between them. Ramanandji used to put curtain between them .Ramanandji was putting necklace on the statue which he was finding difficult. Kabir said while facing his back to him Guruji open the necklace and do that, to which Ramanandji was shocked and said remove the curtain between us.
Pitaji Mother’s love seemingly great it has higher value it has sacrificial feeling for the child .But it is not the real love, how can I make that statement? What is real? It is true, from where it comes? I will quote an incident from the time of king Janak to understand this. Janak ji used to wander at his palace at night time in disguise. In one house he saw from the window one couple was engaged in sex there was one lady also watching this she laughed at that, Janakji asked her why she did so. She said she will explain him after six years. After six years one female aged six came to his palace and asked to see him. After meeting she explained Janakji I am the same lady who laughed at the couple that night. That couple you watched were mother and son at their past births. They were repeatedly coming that way mother and son, husband and wife. I died that night fortunately due to some karma I remember past births that is why I laughed for they are into such entanglement and there is much to know. Pitaji Love as it was between you and I in search of infinite was of a higher quality. But Love, Love is beyond mind and matter and grows in the simplicity and purity of the heart.
That Love takes you to Satguru who is lord himself. Lord comes in the form of Satguru. Love should be like a moth going near the light.Radhasoami Masters say generally females go higher and faster in meditation. Because feeling of love is their abode. Same was confirmed by Paramhansa Yogananda auther of Autobiography of a yogi. He said women’s are dominated by feelings men’s by reason. Both can grow by inculcating the quality of the other.
Kabir explains in love to Dhani Dharamdas O Dharamdas, understanding the reality. I am telling you about love. Those who meditate on Naam given by Perfect Master in such a way that they forget everyone including their family, who do not have attachment of son and wife , and who understands this life as dream , are real lovers.
Brother in this world life is very short, and the world doesn’t help at its end. In this world women is loved the most not even parents are loved so much. But the woman for whom one lays down his life doesn’t help at the time of death. She weeps for her own self and at once goes to her parents place. Son kinsfolk and wealth are dreams, so my advice to you is to achieve Naam. Nothing goes with us in the end not even the body we love so much.
Kabir in the form of sat guru came in this physical material world. At the direction of Satpurush.
He was the third kala out of sixteen kalas or shabda. Materialized from Satpurush or a third son of satpurush.
In the beginning Satpurush was in latent form as given in Anurag sagar. He had a desire and created souls. From his first shabda worlds and oceans were created, in which he dwelt. From his second shabda kurmaji was created. Kurmji caught Satpurush’s feet and said he want to stay near him. Satpurush gave him the lokas to stay. From the third shabda, a son named Gyan was born also named as jogjit or Kabir. The fifth was Kal Niranjan. The creator of these material worlds. Sixth son was Sahaj.
The souls living in the meditation of Satpurush were very happy enjoying the nectar. In this way sixteen sons were born.
Beauty of these lokas or worlds cannot be described in languages. Because it is beyond conditioned world of mind and matter. The light of these world is not by sun or moon. To describe the beauty and love. I am quoting the incidence from ruhani diary of Radhasoami.
The Lord perfect Master Shimla 31-10-1944
In bhajan I made some progress. I think. I had told you that I had penetrated the astral world and I had met your Radiant form. From there , after going through many beautiful places .I found the bell sound deepening into vast peals of bells and my vision growing clearer and brighter . I beheld such a brilliance as I could never have thought possible with this earthly mind. The inhabitants were luminous and bright and the dwelling of a design and grace that this earth will never know. I met and converse with the lord of that region. It was scarcely conversation as we know it. Words being almost unnecessary, a great deal by facial expression and gesture and a certain amount by pure perception. From there I went into the Region of sunrise and sound deepened to a very deep resounding vibration. It required much concentration to pass through this stage. My artistic tendencies had to be purified. I am very fond of drawing and painting and the colors and forms and views were of a surpassing loveliness which held me down a long time.
I think, I must have explored this entire plane. Finally, I left it and lately more so at the Dera elsewhere. I have felt that vision i.e. earthly vision as such has been shed, feeling as we know it here has gone, and hearing is different. Contact with other souls [who are very bright indeed and very much a part of one, oneself] is by direct perception and above all I feel one with everything I meet [even here when I return to this body] out with you my beloved father, indeed am beginning to realize the meaning of that unearthly love which I have sought for so long. Very humbly I lay this little love at your feet. Several times I have come to the great darkness dear Master but I am still a coward. Please help me with strength. My concentration needs to be collected together very much more than I am doing here and I am weak as water. I have always been afraid of the dark and it will require some doing.
Pitaji it was this unearthly Love I was talking about, when I was under training with naval shipyard. Parents love is greatest in this earth. But when you start understanding logically with intuitive awareness. As I told you about our arti or prayer we were singing in praise of Lord, “Aum jai jagdeesh hare” it says “jo dhyayee phal payee dukh bin se man ka “one who meditates, he gets the sukha , contentment . That is of mind. Another stanza is “Para bhrahm parameshwar tum sabke swami “Beyond Brahma [this Brahm is not bhrama vishnu and mahesh] this is their father kal niranjan. Beyond brahm is the region of real Lord parameshwar, The sound coming from there is swami swami. When I came from naval dock and sat for meditation I understood the meaning of the aarti or prayer. Sat guru is an abode of happiness. Real Love springs from him. Having Darshan of Satpurush, the jivas were enjoying for many kalpas. One day Dharamdas or Kal niranjan started meditating while standing on one leg for seventy kalpas or yugas. Satpurush was pleased he sent his son Sahaj to know why Dharam is doing intense tapas. Dharam said he wanted his own creation.
After destruction of Kurmji as given earlier. Satpurush had sent Adhya Shakti or female who had eight parts in her body .KaL niranjan was staying at Mansarover at that time. When he saw the female and her beauty he swallowed the women. This woman was sent with the seed of creation. Knowing this character of kal Satpurush cursed him. He will devour one lakh jivas daily and one and one quarter lakhs will be produced.
Sat purush thought of destroying kal . But then he had to destroy the whole creation so he didn’t. But he gave orders to jogjit or Kabir to expel him from mansarover and he will never be allowed to enter pure regions.
When Kabir reached there kal was showing his powers. But with the power and order of Satpurush . Kabirji slapped at the forehead of kal and told the woman to come out from his stomach by taking the name of Satpurush.
Shekhar when you didn’t accept at the time of your schooling about earth stands on cow and cow on shesh naag . How can you accept this story, also what you read about anant koti brahamand ,that is infinite milky way’s as written in bhagvad Gita and other religious texts?
Pitaji you are right I don’t accept this story either. But we can analyze it hermeneutically that is in the way of understanding. As elders said earth is standing on cow’s head. But Upanishads say’s earth is based on water and water on fire and fire on air and air on space and space on atman soul seems logical. and matter. That is why Param Sant Kabir could explain them the higher philosophy at ease. They accepted and went back to their real home away from Pitaji these religious texts are made by hiding the facts so we have to undo them or decode them either by study based on experience and logic or by meditation.As a docter from Pune wrote to Indira Gandhi about geographical conditions conducive for living at mars .He concluded this by meditation. Paramhansa Yogananda made a statement at United States that one gram of flesh is enough to light a Chicago city. Scientist said yes swamiji is right after experimenting at lab with little flesh they could make heap of flesh, this is experimenting way of modern science. But there was a higher way of going beyond mind and matter .There existed a higher race in Golden era of satyuga where men’s and women’s used to live for thousands of years. They had enough time to concentrate on every subject of life to its smallest detail. Leaving the body was like transcending at will to them. They were aware of higher states of beings in the land of death. In this Kaliyuga mind is at lesser state and life time span is small. But still awareness has started increasing when thinkers had started coming out of conditioning of religious dogmas.As per Yukteshwar giri the guru of Paramhansa Yogananda when the sun in its course of revolution begins to advance towards the place nearest to the grand center called Vishnunabhi. Which is the seat of creative power Brahma, the universal magnetism Dharma the mental virtue, begins to develop this growth is completed in the period of 12000 years.From AD 499 onwards, the sun begins to advance towards the grand center and the intellect of man started gradually to develop .During the 1100 years of the ascending kaliyuga ,which brings us to AD1599 the human intellect was so dense that it could not comprehend the electricities ,sukshmabhuta the fine matters of creation. About AD1600 William Gilbert discovered magnetic forces and observed the presence of electricity in all material substances, Newton discovered the laws of gravitation, Stephen Gray discovered the action of electricity on the human body. Thereafter development went on towards understanding of the electricities and their attributes.
As it was said in Bible sun moved around the earth. Later on with study, revolutionary philosophers Copernicus, Galileo came up with that Sun is stationary earth moves around.
Same way meditation is the platform where we can testify the truths in the scriptures. Many of them can be understood logically.
These stories may be fabricated out of facts which we have to decode. Like when we close our eyes. We see a sky. What is that space? Is that space same when we click the mouse of a computer there also we see space. And out in the world there is space. Revolutionary theory of Sir Einstein is based on space and time and their relativeness. Before him Sir Isaac Newton saw them as abstract. When Swami Vivekananda went at west he said space and time is nothing but barrier to see the absolute.
Lord Kabir explains in one of his shabdas . “meri najar main moti aaya hain, hai til ke til ke til bhitar verle sadhu paya hain” I have seen a pearl , inside the dot , there is another dot , and inside the dot there is another dot, rare sadhu knows it. Understanding comes from within. The kal and the female Adhya created the world, which is the shadow of the shadow of the shadow of the real world.
Woman’s nature is such, she never gave knowledge of reality to her three sons and eventually kal eats all of them. Sant Kabir explains the nature of the women.
The Sat guru said;
O Dharamdas, listen to the attributes of women;
I’ll make you understand.
When there is a girl in the family. She is brought up with many conveniences.
Her food, clothing and bedding are provided. But everyone regards her as an outsider.
Lovingly performing the ceremonies, she is made to depart with her husband.
When the daughter goes to her husband’s home, she is dyed in the colors of her husband.
She forgets her mother and father; Dharamdas, This is the quality of women.
That is why adhya became an alien, and she, the Bhavani became a part of kal . That is why, she didn’t’ manifest Satpurush and showed the form of kal to Vishnu.
When Lord Kabir came at Satyuga, His name was Sukrit. He gave naam to King Dhondnal and khemsari they understood the illusions and were liberated. Lord Kabir is anami about which he described in his shabads. He came in every yuga by the orders of Satpurush , to remove illusions created by kal the negative power created by Satpurush . At treta yuga he gave initiation to vichatra Bhat and wife of Ravan named Mandodari At Dwapar yuga he initiated Queen Indumati. And at kaliyuga he came as kabir. At dwapara yuga he gave naam to saint named Supach sudarshan. Whole heartedly he did the devotion of the Sat guru, leaving all deceptions and cleverness. His father and mother became very happy and in their hearts they had great love for him. When supach went at Satlok. He requested Lord kabir to liberate his parents as they were suffering in the land of kal. He requested Lord Kabir to liberate his parents as they were suffering in the Land of kal. He requested by saying “I explained to my father and mother in many ways but thinking me as child they never believe me. But they didn’t stop me from devotion. They were very happy with me.
They were always pleased with me. That is why. O Lord. I make this request to you, bring them after making them firm in the Sat Shabda, and cutting their attachments, liberate their souls,
By the Glory of Sant Supach they were born into a Brahmin family named kulpati and Maheshwari.
Kabir materialized himself in the form of a child to Maheshwari. Both husband and wife were serving happily. Kabir explained them shabda but they didn’t believe in the child so Kabir disappeared.
Their second birth was as Chandan sahu and Uda. Again Lord gave her the darshan as child. She brought the child home but her husband didn’t agree to keep the child. They got the third birth as Neeru and Nima. Where they found Kabir saheb at Lahartara Lake.
Kabirji spoke to Nima, hearing Kabirji she feared of Neeru. She took the child home. But still later on they forgot the shabda.
Their fourth birth was at Mathura and they went to satlok. 

DrChandra Skeekhar